<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">For Moeller thecnique he explain how motion of wrist are important toOriginally posted by Paraflam:
Doesn't Weckl use mainly fingers and wrists? In his video he talks about fingers mostly.
He explains it just fine. I'm wondering how well it works when even he himself can't execute it. That's what I was wondering.
Doesn't Weckl use mainly fingers and wrists? In his video he talks about fingers mostly.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">For Moeller thecnique he explain how motion of wrist are important toOriginally posted by Paraflam:
Doesn't Weckl use mainly fingers and wrists? In his video he talks about fingers mostly.
I've commented on Moeller before with someone else on this board. What I've found is that no one really knows why its used. I'm not talkin' about the "whip" or anthing like that. Musically why is it used? What does it do?
Most people don't respond to my posts but hopefully this time....
Para I think a tempo of 130 bpm is pretty good in terms of speed. Are you playing 16th's or triplets?
I personally don't feel the technique has to do with fingers or wrists, they can be used to make the taps but I think Weckl and Chapin both use bounce.
I don't know if you've seen both vids (Chapin's on Firth's site and/or Weckls "How to develop Technique") but both men look like they are doing the same thing to me.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ August 14, 2005 01:57 PM: Message edited by: shockediddle ]</font>
The best video and book on the subject of hand/stick ergonomics is:
The Open and Closed Technique
I just took a lesson with Gordy and his technique is the most relaxed I've ever seen.
His video has slow motion footage of various rebound angles with measurements of natural rebound of the stick. It's scientific, but Gordy can really play, since he's played with Keith Jarret, Phil Woods, and is now on tour with the Steve Miller-band.
Joe Morello told Gordy that he was basically teaching the mysterious Gladstone technique.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ August 15, 2005 08:47 AM: Message edited by: blake1 ]</font>
Shockediddle,
Great question "Why is the Moeller technique used?"
Here are a few answers:
1) Less motion, bigger sound
2) Less effort, faster strokes
3) Better time-keeping, time by motion concept
4) Improved sound, speed, time-keeping can result in better musical flow.
This is the stuff Weckl teaches. And as he says, there are many drumming techniques out there, Moeller is just one of them.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Personally i know only Moeller and Gladstone technique, if you know another i'am ready to learn [img]tongue.gif[/img]And as he says, there are many drumming techniques out there, Moeller is just one of them.[/QB]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ August 15, 2005 04:32 PM: Message edited by: donu ]</font>
Weckl identifies the "wrist stroke" as separate from Moeller. He demonstrates this in his last set of videos (the waving "bye-bye" demo). He also discusses singles using the French grip and fingers as separate from Moeller.
Right Andy!
I personally think that to use a technique correctly one must know WHY they're doing it. I remeber when I first heard drummers using ghost notes. Yeah they sound cool but musically why are they used? What do they do?
PS No one has to answer the ghost note question, it's just an example. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ August 15, 2005 07:30 PM: Message edited by: shockediddle ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Can you elaborate on what you mean by "Why" they are used? Certainly, in some cases they do sound "cool" as you say, and obviously they can add a great forward momentum to the music in certain cases because of the great dynamic contrast.Yeah they sound cool but musically why are they used? What do they do?
PS No one has to answer the ghost note question, it's just an example
For example, when Jeff ghosts the 2nd triplet after the backbeat on his half-time shuffle that adds incredible momentum and a great lope to the groove. What other reason could there be?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Can you elaborate on what you mean by "Why" they are used? Certainly, in some cases they do sound "cool" as you say, and obviously they can add a great forward momentum to the music in certain cases because of the great dynamic contrast.Originally posted by Thomas Rieck:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah they sound cool but musically why are they used? What do they do?
PS No one has to answer the ghost note question, it's just an example
For example, when Jeff ghosts the 2nd triplet after the backbeat on his half-time shuffle that adds incredible momentum and a great lope to the groove. What other reason could there be?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Too oftern drummers just replicate what they hear and don't know what they're doing or why they're doing it. Sure it may sound cool, but if you don't understand the theory behind what you're doing you can't expand it past that.
Again, I know why ghost notes are used. Jeff used them on "Rosanna" to create foward motion, not to sound "cool", that's just a by-product.
I also know he ghosted more than just the 2nd triplet after the BB.
I still don't know what lope means though.
<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ August 16, 2005 01:21 AM: Message edited by: shockediddle ]</font></font>
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ August 16, 2005 01:37 AM: Message edited by: shockediddle ]</font>
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